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"PS9" (PS9) 04/15/2019 at 10:56 • Filed to: None

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People are like ‘why would anyone want a 4 cylinder mustang?’, and I guess the apparent answer is because we live in a performance car renaissance where even the lower tier trim has enough power to vaporize every V8 GT that came just a few generations before it. I still remember the early days where muscle cars had only one valid trim level and everything else was trash . If your 4 gerbil mustang can hang with a 550 Maranello now, then those days are well and truly over. Base trims are awesome now. What’s the problem?

adamftw > PS9 04/15/2019 at 11:07

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Yea, I agree. Only reason to get the V8 (if you’re concerned with performance) is because you’re going to slap a turbo kit on it and make 750-85 0HP. This 4 pot should be better than the stock V8 in every way.

Ash78, voting early and often > PS9 04/15/2019 at 11:09

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Something something “V8 doesn’t have to work as hard” or whatever.

If I’m leasing it, I’d go 2.3t all day long. If I’m keeping it 15 years, I’ll go V8.

jimz > adamftw 04/15/2019 at 11:11

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or you want something that doesn’t sound farty

BigBlock440 > PS9 04/15/2019 at 11:12

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It’s like the late 80's/early 90's all over again.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > adamftw 04/15/2019 at 11:14

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Except for reliability, real world performance/fuel economy,  sound, feel, and emotional response. Yeah, I’d just go for used GT350

Nibby > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 04/15/2019 at 11:16

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i’d just go after your heart

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 04/15/2019 at 11:17

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warranty tho

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > PS9 04/15/2019 at 11:19

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Only problem is, t here’s no headroom on the 2.3. And you don’t have to turbo the 5.0 to make better power.

You can argue all you want, people, and you’ll still be wrong every day of the week. There is no room for more power without complete replacement of everything but the bare casting. Add in the electronic suspension and you have two fundamental characteristics that can’t be improved.

That doesn’t come from me. That comes directly from a Ford Performance Engineer, and is why I did n’t buy a FoRS (the DSC controller was still in development .)

And that’s before we get into the longevity questions and issues of the EB2.3 even excluding “oops, wrong head gasket.”

Shift24 > PS9 04/15/2019 at 11:19

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I ‘m with Jayhawk Jake . No still buy the V8. His Boostang had close to 400hp and he turned his in for a V8.

If you want a good read on why he did, he did a write up on why and how he “ stopped defending the ecoboost mustang ”

i86hotdogs > PS9 04/15/2019 at 11:20

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I’m too lazy to look it up myself, but how do these fours sound? Would any aftermarket system help it? I’m a sou nd guy myself, so I’m partial to the V8's sound.

MUSASHI66 > PS9 04/15/2019 at 11:20

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As an ex-owner of a FIAT 500 Abarth and current owner of a WRX (yes, I like turbo 4 cylinder cars) , I’d go with a GT all day long for the sound and instant torque. This baby will be so-close-pricewise -it-doesn’t-even-matter-in-real-world-money to the base GT, but it will still be about $5k or so cheaper than the GT I’d like. 

Discerning > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 04/15/2019 at 11:20

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Have you looked into the oil consumption issues with the gt350 engine?

I think the best bet is the new direct injection setup with the highest performance pack.

Still can't get around how big the  car is though

adamftw > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 04/15/2019 at 11:21

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If I wanted all of those things, I’d buy a Chevy.

PS9 > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks 04/15/2019 at 11:27

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That’s only a problem if you plan on modding, something most people aren’t going to do with a car they brought new and are making payments towards .

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 04/15/2019 at 11:28

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What’s a warranty? That thing that Ford voids when you do any motorsports related activity?

PS9 > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 04/15/2019 at 11:28

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Bring an extra $10k with you went you go, because you’re not getting a used GT350 for the MSRP of a 2.3L ecoboost. 

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Nibby 04/15/2019 at 11:28

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Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > i86hotdogs 04/15/2019 at 11:29

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They sound like, “DISAPPOINTMENT.”

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > PS9 04/15/2019 at 11:30

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Yeah, you’re not getting the 2.3 performance package for MSRP either.

i86hotdogs > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 04/15/2019 at 11:30

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Oh, so my parents would love the sound of them. They’ ve been listening to me talk for years!

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > PS9 04/15/2019 at 11:34

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That’s a lot of performance and I’m happy they’re offering the options , but I’ll still take the V8 a ll day every day .

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Ash78, voting early and often 04/15/2019 at 11:34

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Solid plan in my eyes. As a lease car, the 2.3T you don’t have to worry about. Once it’s yours long term you have forced induction levels of pressure in a 4 cylinder. 5.0 will be simpler and probably more reliable.

PS9 > MUSASHI66 04/15/2019 at 11:38

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A loaded 2.3L is close to a stripper GT, but that’s not really a great comparison . Package-for-package, there is a $10k gap between the two, and that’s a lot. ‘I don’t care about features’ is what I expect a jalop to say (...though looking through the comments ot this morning’s post on the 2020, even they think the lack of some of these features would make the stripper car too hard to live with) but even if we don’t care, actual consumers definitely do, and they’ve turned the EB into a huge hit for ford.

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > PS9 04/15/2019 at 11:39

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Also a very true and valid point, which is why you won’t see me argue that the Boostang is a bad car. It’s not. It’s a good car.

Just as long as the car you want is exactly what you get from the factory. 

PS9 > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 04/15/2019 at 11:41

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Nobody’s going to be charging $10k over invoice for an EB .

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > PS9 04/15/2019 at 11:43

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Tangentially related – anyone know if the auto in these current gen Mustangs is any good? Like how dog shit is it, or is it reasonable for an auto?

My wife has always wanted a convertible and has always been bummed that I had one before we met (S2000) – and now with a kid our 2 seater sports car days are kind of over for a while. The current gen Mustang seems like a pretty decent vehicle…and maybe a decent used car buy on the cheap-ish in V8 convertible auto (she can’t drive stick) form, and still be able to function with a kid in the back? This will never be a canyon carver of track machine, just a vehicle for family fun so I don’t care too much about structural rigidity or handling dynamics at the limit. 

And yeah I wouldn’t buy one of those ecoboost Mustangs if I planned to keep it long term. Actually one of the only reasons I’d ever go Mustang is to scratch “V8" off the list.

JustAnotherG6 > ZHP Sparky, the 5th 04/15/2019 at 11:51

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Had one as a rental a few years back. In normal mode it seemed pretty meh. Nothing really done great but not missing anything either (unlike the transmission in the G6, but that’s another story). However, when you put it in sport or sport+... it goes from a kitten playing with a ball of yarn (read slightly hesitant ) to a Mountain Lion chasing after the first meal it’s had in days. It was fun to have on the CA coastal highway.

OmerCarrothers333 > PS9 04/15/2019 at 11:54

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My 2006 V6 Mustang had the 4.0 V6 with 210 horsepower and around 250 torque. I didn’t care, I loved that car; it rode as well as it could with a live-axel, could get out of it’s own way, and I felt cool as fuck with Black Sabbath cranked up as I was driving out to Monterey or Santa Cruz.

Let’s be real here, most of the console cowboys burning up the comments sections of various articles about the new-ish Ecoboost wouldn’t spend  their money for a performance Mustang of any kind, or drive it anywhere close to the ragged-edge which is where all those numbers they care about live.

PS9 > OmerCarrothers333 04/15/2019 at 11:58

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Let’s be real here, most of the console cowboys burning up the comments sections of various articles about the new-ish Ecoboost wouldn’t spend their money for a performance Mustang of any kind, or drive it anywhere close to the ragged-edge which is where all those numbers they care about live.

This should be the first paragraph of any performance car article.

Discerning > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 04/15/2019 at 12:16

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Ye ah, that one. It’s the same one that does absolutely nothing for the consumer when a vehicle is doing something weird but the dealer insists that it’s normal. They keep reflashing my truck and it keeps making a weird sound when I come off the throttle. I can't figure it out either, but it doesn't seem to have any ill effects yet so whatever

Mini Guy- Now has a 4Runner > PS9 04/15/2019 at 12:26

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There is a reason why any E coboost engine is so popular from Ford. Take the 3.5 in the F-150. That truck is sold with V8 and V6 options. Coming from experience with both engines (had a v8 before we got a v6 fx4 and then the reptar), once you drive the E coboost, you kinda really see no point in the v8. The V6 makes nigh-on as much horsepower and same for torque, yet it can out accelerate and out tow the V8. the dealer put it like this: “Once you go Ecoboost, you won’t want to go back .” So, stuff the v8 M ustang, theres a new kid in town.

Shift24 > OmerCarrothers333 04/15/2019 at 12:27

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While that is mostly true there are some who have bought and owned both. And has stuck with the v8.

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/how-i-stopped-defending-the-ecoboost-mustang-1822709809

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > i86hotdogs 04/15/2019 at 12:31

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They sound like shame and regret......

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > PS9 04/15/2019 at 12:31

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This is why I test the viability of my C7Z’s 5-60 time on a regular basis. I wanted to put my money where my mouth is and my foot where the throttle is. I want to understand what 0-60 under 4 seconds genuinely feels and means.

Im tired of people just saying whatever on the internet. One experience is worth 5000 words.

i86hotdogs > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 04/15/2019 at 12:43

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Yep, definitely something my parents are used to hearing

Thomas Donohue > i86hotdogs 04/15/2019 at 12:54

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You can get the adaptive exhaust for the EB, but it doesn’t have a V8 mode.

OmerCarrothers333 > Shift24 04/15/2019 at 14:30

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Ain’t nothing wrong with that mate. 

OmerCarrothers333 > ZHP Sparky, the 5th 04/15/2019 at 14:37

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Have you looked at drop-top Audis? I’m pretty sure  one of those could scratch that itch, especially if it comes with a V8 and an actual backseat.

Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. > PS9 04/15/2019 at 14:50

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Can this be the basis for a retro SVO? Biplane wing, flat disc wheels, etc.

TBH, I’m still disappointed that they dropped the V6. 300+ HP was more than fine, at least on the rental I had. The Camaro V6 with that exhaust option sounds amazing, and Ford could have made their V6  something a little sportier while still keeping it affordable. I'd rather have 300hp with RWD than FWD any day of the week.

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > OmerCarrothers333 04/15/2019 at 15:30

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I’m terrified to death of those V8 engines that came in the S4 as much as I loved my friend’s v8 S4 avant (yellow, of course) - and the convertibles aren’t  particularly spacious in the back either from what I remember. Definitely a cool special little car - but given age, reliability, and maintenance costs I think a Mustang would suffice very nicely in this case. Especially a 15-17 model, maybe with red leather interior (still not a huge fan of the interior design in general though) - would be a pretty nice car that won’t break the bank.

MUSASHI66 > PS9 04/15/2019 at 17:14

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None of those really answer “why have a V8 over turbo 4”. I know why I’d have a V8. Don’t get me wrong - if I were in the market for it, I’d consider the EB  but I still think that GT is superior. 

PS9 > MUSASHI66 04/15/2019 at 18:09

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Yes they do. “Because it costs $10k or so less and still has excellent performance even in comparison” is why more p eople pick the EB. You might not find those reasons compelling, but that doesn't mean no one else should, or that they are invalid.

MUSASHI66 > PS9 04/15/2019 at 19:07

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Original post was basically written as a  “who needs a V8 when turbo 4 is this fast”. Plenty of people need V8 for sound, torque, resale value... that’s the whole point here.